Sunday, October 15, 2017

Rabbi Tovia Singer and Reverend Jim Cantelon Debate



2.29   New Testament a passageway for Jews to understand the tanakh as well
5.58   Courtroom metaphor used for evidence standards?
7.55   Roots of the Messianic hope in the tanakh  Davidic line  Isaiah   "Child is born" Mich Bethlehem, 2X blessed
9.29   Jesus's messianic claims = w/ G-d, towering presence 10.43 tension between 2 worlds where?
10.43  role of rational criteria and super rational--Divine intervention in space and time-Truth claims involves more than the empirical  role of proof texts.
13:00 God's view of the Messianic age Re Hebrew scriptures

  1. Universal knowledge
  2. Resurrection of the dead
  3. Everlasting (3rd) temple      Claims of Christianity doesnot equate with this Messianic showcasing
  4. Isagetic reality  Christians reading  into scripture and future dating scripture.1st decades  Christianity a Jewish sect --hermeneutic bias toward scripture.17.56
Isaiah 9 "a child is born"   el gibor  mistranslated to appear Christological-mighty god referes to Hezekiah in context of Assyrian army's destruction
20.40  CS Lewis'  son conversion to Judaism  role of secularized culture
MT 22.1-2 oral transmission and rabbinic words recognized  and stand w/moses'
-threat of Judaism  belief neutral
Jesus rejected by the nation on basis of idolatry
MT 10.5   RO 1.16 priorities   go to lost sheep of the house of Israel
Priorities to evangelize Israel deception  misuse of Jew trads to convert those who would not respond otherwise---deception  trivializing the Gospel -role of Talmudic mid rash  vowel pointing  in use during Talmudic compilation of oral tradition
30..21   spiritual nurture of children abdicated
35.49  IS   58   and Amos Low view of G-d sacrifice over devotion view ofd the rabbis Acher and Zvi mentioned as to be listened to but poor teachers
CS Lewis  The Christ Liar,Lunatic &/or Legend
38.24 Grt divide  Is Jesus' claim valid? mystical encounter w/the Christ
39.00- Triune nature of God  its mystery  Mk 10 only God is good-Hebrew bible or Torah measuring stick for all judgments-Christ to sick and dying world as light of the world
43.00ff linear thinking limited  through cultural lens-We must be careful of our elitist thinking
Term "fundamentalist- " legalistic., mean spirited,
45.24+  no trinity doctrine in NT --its mystery
47.0

  1. Mothers of messiah in lineage-  Lot's daughters,Tamar's seduction of Judah
  2. Ruth,mother of Obed, gr father of Kg David
  3. Rehab's trickery delivered Israel
Rejecting fundamentalism -legalistic,mean spirited,closed minded, irrelevant
120.39   Jesus  self-limited in time and space
49.52-We tend to polarize and put others in camps-brilliance of mind and capacity of soul self cut-off.


Ok, I had enough of this guy Jim, who think he's cute with all his BS and scripture twisting. His claim is that secular Jews, he tries to equate this with he reason to be Christian. Rabbi, you should have put him in in his place as he's so obnoxious. Rabbi Singer is amazing, and if lets loose, he'll have Jim for breakfast !!! BTW, Jim needs to not convolute the Jewish Bible. The " New Testament as Rabbi Singer clearly points very clearly, miss quotes everything. Thank you Rabbi Singer.

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